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Complaint Challenge Contest - Extended!

Journal Entry: Sun Jan 1, 2012, 3:08 AM

Update:  Deadline Extension


New deadline:  February 10th at 11:59 PM EST!


I could use an extra week before judging, and my poll suggested people could use a little more time than that. I've decided to extend the deadline by 10 days.

Don't forget you must note me your entry to be eligible for prizes. I know I saw some floating around. I do need an official entry note! You may find these other reminders helpful:  fav.me/d4mk8a6

If your entry is not in this folder, you are not confirmed and should contact me:  thorns.deviantart.com/favourit…

If you have questions, or needed help, and I haven't fully helped yet, NOTE ME ASAP. If I haven't responded I misplaced your messages. (I know there is definitely one I cannot find.) I apologize and would be appreciate a reminder.


thorns




We got our complaints out in 2011. Now, 2012 is about doing something productive with them. I am not going to sit and grumble about my pet peeves. Neither should you!

Anyone who knows me should have been suspicious from the start of Phase 1 because complaining is one of my own complaints. That's right. I complain about people complaining. Silly, yes? Well I decided to do something about it with this challenge.

I hope everyone enjoyed sharing their gripes in Phase 1 because it is time for Phase 2! :eager: And Phase 2 is open to everyone, even if you didn't participate in Phase 1, or decided to change what complaint you'd like to address!


Complaint Challenge – Phase 2


The challenge in a nutshell: Pick one of your dA complaints and do something proactive about it. Work toward a solution or improvement in a positive way.

Now a few of you are probably thinking things like, "I can't!" "I don't have the ability to make those changes!" "It's impossible!"

Wrong, wrong, and WRONG! You can. You do. It is possible.

We are a community and a community is what the members make of it. It's not the massive changes, but the little ones all stacking up that make the community wonderful. Positivity and improvement start with you. Yes, you, the deviant reading this right now. You CAN improve the deviantART community and site.

It will take positive effort, and some complaints require more work than others, but it's worth it. You'll be happier and other community members will be happier.

It's not only about making deviantART better in 2012. It's a new year. New years are always great times to work on improving yourself and how you respond to obstacles. At some point we're all guilty of grumbling complaints instead of being proactive about the issue. This is the perfect opportunity to look at your every day grumblings and kick them in the face! (Kick them in the face figuratively and in a positive way though. :paranoid:)

Challenge Details


This is an open ended challenge and so the requirements aren't going to be too specific. What I am looking for is this:

:bulletblue: Positivity - This is about addressing obstacles and taking charge, but it's a moot point if you drag it down with negativity. If you're happy and excited about your entry, I'm going to feel happy and excited about your entry. That means I'm more likely to want to make the change or support the issue. It's a good thing to aim for.

:bulletblue: Community - This site is built on the community and I'd like to see entries involve the community in some form. That means if you are trying to spread awareness, promote your entry to deviants, ask for input, or start a project others can participate in. If you're pushing for a site suggestion, ask for community input and support.

:bulletblue: Effort - I suggest picking a topic you're passionate about because I'd really like to see deviants be persistent with entries. Don't create a two sentence dA suggestion and then leave it sitting in your gallery or journal. TRY! Make it the best you can, promote it the best you can, and then improve it, drag others with you, and promote it some more.

:bulletblue: Creativity - We're an art community. Sure a letter or news article can be effective, but wouldn't it be fun to tie it into an amusing activity? Creativity makes an impact. People will remember it. People will be inspired. Turn your entry into a game, activity, or draw witty stick figures to illustrate your point. Have FUN with it because it really is open to interpretation.

:bulletblue: Practicality - Sure, I'd love it too if deviantART delivered a cake to my door every time I logged in. Not realistic by any stretch of the imagination though. :no:

Take a serious approach and realize that broader issues (like trolling) aren't addressed overnight or completely solvable. In those cases you can help people "see the light" and spread awareness. The Complaint Challenge project is a good example of practical response. My complaint is complaining without taking a proactive role in the issue. I can't make people stop complaining, but I can trick people with prizes encourage people to be proactive.

Things to Avoid:
:bulletred: Negativity - No whining. No complaining. No insults. No negativity. Stuff all the bad mojo in your trash can where it belongs.

:bulletred: Lazy Entries - Writing a paragraph at the end of one of your meme journals just won't cut it. Obviously not everyone has the same skill set or resources, but that's no excuse to not try your best. I can tell the difference.

:bulletred: Meanness - Be nice. (This is covered under negativity, but I think it's worth another iteration.) I mean it. Be nice.


Can we work in teams?


Absolutely allowed and encouraged! Work with a friend, or five, if you'd like. But, if you do work in a team of 3+ deviants I expect a serious business entry. I would expect that you're running a community project, contest, or starting a group. I'll also be asking who did what in the entry.

Can I ask for help from others?


Get all the help you need from friends, family, the community, etc. If you can't figure out a way to improve on your chosen issue, or maybe you're not sure how to make it fun, ask others. You can even ask me! I am happy to brainstorm with you and throw ideas your way. [Please credit those who help you!]

I'm still not sure what you want me to do, thorny coconut. :confused:


A proactive activity is the base requirement.

Think about your complaint. Consider what drives the issue, and what would inspire a positive change. Brainstorm ideas. Make sketches. Outline a plan. Approach it as you would your art.

If you desire a feature change to the site or dA policy, it's a little more straight forward. You'd create a suggestion deviation, put it in the proper Suggestions gallery, and make a Suggestions forum thread. To involve the community you can ask for input, start a discussion, and promote your suggestion. Feel free to get creative with the deviation or process though!

For community gripes, it's more open ended. The key is to spread awareness and involve the community.

Start a community awareness campaign. Make an article, make stamps to promote the positive. Create a challenge, project or activity for other deviants to join your campaign.

Quick examples:
These are loose ideas off the top of my head. You can go in so many directions! Make anything you want as long as it promotes the positive and is proactive. Be creative and have fun with it.
Complaint: You don't like the DD's featured.

Proactive activity: Challenge yourself to submit 1 quality DD suggestion every day for two weeks. Ask others to join in the challenge with you! Make it a quarterly challenge!


Complaint: You're tired of deviants complaining about lack of exposure.

Proactive activity: Write and promote a tutorial teaching deviants how to network and gain the exposure they want in a positive way. Promote it to underexposed deviants.


Need more help?


Note me! As I said earlier, I am happy to brainstorm and offer tips or suggestions. If you're creating a contest for your entry, I'm usually passing out prizes like candy and it can't hurt to ask. :eyes:


How to Enter


Create your entry and submit to deviantART. Then follow these requirements!

:bulletblue: Include a link to this contest in your artist's comment.

:bulletblue: Send a note to thorns by 11:59 PM EST, January 31st, 2012.
Include this information:

:bulletblue: A thumbcode to your entry submission. (Even if it's a journal or news article.)

:bulletblue: Link or tell me to where you're promoting your entry.

:bulletblue: Anything else relevant about your entry. (Credit, partner roles, etc.)


Prizes


I am accepting prize donations, and prize donors are eligible to participate! If you'd like to support this contest, note me with your donation and I'll add it to the list. Prize donors will receive a special feature once the contest ends. :heart:

Spotlight Prizes
There will be no first, second, or third place because I'm terrible at that type of judging. I always want everyone to win first place. Instead I'm going to spotlight entries that are super amazing. It will be 2-4 entries (depending on the awesomeness of the entries) and they will each win:
:bulletgreen: A 3 month premium membership!
:bulletgreen: 100 points


Participation Prizes
If you tried, I think you deserve a shot at a prize because it's about the intention and community effort. Anyone who sends in an eligible entry will be entered into a drawing to win a prize. They will be selected at random.
:bulletgreen: A three month premium membership!
:bulletgreen: 150 points x 2
:bulletgreen: 100 points x 2
:bulletgreen: 50 points x 4







I hope you're able to take part. Please favorite the article and spread the word!

thorns :heart:

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:iconliliwrites:
LiliWrites Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
:eager: When will winners be announced, Miss Coconut?
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012   Writer
Probably tomorrow or the day after! :eager:
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:iconliliwrites:
LiliWrites Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
:squee: I can't wait!
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012   Writer
Me either! :la:
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:iconthe-golden-knight:
The-Golden-Knight Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2012
Wish I could participate, but quite simply, I'm too content with Deviantart. I can not complain!
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2012   Writer
You could always improve on something, or write a guide to help deviants. :)
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:iconthe-golden-knight:
The-Golden-Knight Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2012
Hmm, not bad idea...Although, I'll have to think about what kind of "guide" I'd like to batch up. Thanks for the idea! :highfive:
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jerenda Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2012  Student Writer
My complaint is people whining about comments and favs, and my change is just in myself; acting differently, and posting on my profile page an explanation of how I act differently. I am sincerely grateful for each comment/fav I get, no matter how short or how long, and regardless of whether people fav without commenting or comment without faving. That's not a problem for me. I reply to every comment (where possible) and I make a point to go to the profile pages of those who favorite my work and thank them personally.

As for my habits, I will comment if I have something to say, otherwise I will simply fav as I feel that commenting just to say "Cool story bro!" is a waste of my time. I fav things I really like and want to go back to later. For me, faving is a personal thing. I'm adding to my art collection. I'm doing it for me, not you. However, if someone posts thanking me for the fav, I regard that as an act worthy of reward, because they personally took the time to come to me and say thank you, so when I respond I seek out the work in question and specifically mention what I liked about it. They came to me, so I reward them by complimenting their work, and because I favorite things with real reasons I always have a compliment.

So, yeah, that explanation is my story about what bothers me on DA and what I am doing about it. I'm way too lazy to actually make anything for this contest, but I felt like posting. =D
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:iconpokemonic:
Pokemonic Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
There is something that irks me, but I don't know if it could be changed. It's more of a technical thing, and it regards comments.

Sometimes someone will comment on someone's Deviation, saying something about the description. Then, next thing you know, the Deviant has Ninja Edited it, making you look like a complete moron. On other Deviants' pages/Deviations, you can't remove comments. That makes sense, but you should be able to remove the ones you make!

I don't know how I could do anything.
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2012   Writer
Well, the first is kind of a good thing. I mean they took your suggestion and made the change. :D I don't think people think the commenter is a moron. They probably assume it was an earlier draft. (At least that's what I think when I see it.)

I think the reason they don't let you remove them is so people can't use the option to harass other people then deny it. If someone commented with something against the rules, then quickly changed it, that'd make it hard to do anything about.

Some places let you hide your comments, or you can request the deviation creator hide them. :)
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Pokemonic Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
It's only because, well, I write a lot in my spare time, and it usually includes my friends' characters. I can't post, cuz it's kinda awkward unless its a series thing, and plus I don't have their permission. Well, at night I tend to post random comments, and one morning I almost had a heartattack when I thought I had posted a certain story as a comment to the original creator of the character I had used in it. (I wrote it while I was stressed, but it was a decent piece, so I decided to hold on to it for future refrence. But I wouldn't even want my mother to see it. <:3)
If something like that happens, well, I don't like stuff like that being spread even the slightest bit... =w=
You get my point.
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2012   Writer
Ah.
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:iconpokemonic:
Pokemonic Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
But I do get you. Its kinda a lose-lose situation. xD allow deletion and harrassers will take over. Disallow it, and regular ppl like me will be upset when we post something by accident.
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2012   Writer
yeah, can be tough. :(
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:iconpokemonic:
Pokemonic Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
lol I keep staring at your icon and now its kinda creepy. xD
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2012   Writer
It's another free one on dA! (You can find a link in my signature.) It's also an awesome plz account you can use to terrorize all your friends. :dummy:

Type :iconrunsiesplz: for :iconrunsiesplz:
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Argentum-Silva Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Student General Artist
Hmm... I started a group last year with my friends, because I was tired of their being so little for writers on DA. We've got well over 50 members now, but do you have any ideas on how I can make it better? :squee: This contest is epic btw!!!
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2012   Writer
You should keep your group interactive by running contests, challenge, and activities for members to participate. Be sure to promote it and let the community know!
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darkwolf10011 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
ive been grumbling that theres not enogh fanart for cybercity so should i draw some fan art for that
deviantART muro drawing Comment Drawing
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012   Writer
Haha you should, and maybe tell all your friends to do some too! You could do a contest or project or start a group. :eyes:
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darkwolf10011 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
how do i start a group
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012   Writer
This should help!

FAQ #418: What is Groups and how do I make one?
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darkwolf10011 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
made a group thanks for that now for some art
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012   Writer
:thumbsup: Be sure to promote it.
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darkwolf10011 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
ok and im likin the new logo
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LadyBrookeCelebwen Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
(I've been sitting on this for a few days...originally, it didn't include this first paragraph, but after this weekend, it does.)

Honestly, I don't think I'll actually be doing anything real about it...the past two days, and things I've read from people on here, have made me so sick and tired of it all. It shouldn't have ever reached a point where when I go to a person's profile, my first thought is "So, what is this person going to think I'm freak or lazy because of what/how I write?" Especially since I can't think of anything else to do - I've commented to people, I've tried to discuss it with people, I've tried to educate people on exactly how much work it can take some fanfic authors to write things, I've pointed out that every genre has just as much crap written, but there's more filters that keep people from seeing it. If you have any ideas, I'd be glad to hear them, but at this point...I'm this close to just giving up, retreating back into my group of friends, and just quit giving a damn about it.

Now, onto my complaint and solution...well, my complaint is, and has been for several months now, how fanfic is viewed on dA (and the wider web, but I have even less influence there then I do here.) As an original fiction, nonfiction, and fanfic writer, I take offense to how fanfic authors are portrayed as unoriginal and lazy. Especially since I don't view it as any more unoriginal to write a story based on say, Feanor from The Silmarillion then to write one based on say Anne Boleyn or for Shakespeare to write Romeo and Juliet, in spite of both of them being unoriginal characters based on either history or early stories. :shrug: I don't mind the people who just don't like fanfic as a whole, just like I don't like romance, or the groups that don't allow it for logistical reasons, but the ones who run around abusing the authors, calling us things like carnival freaks are horrible. Or the ones that assume things like, if I say it took me two hours to write a story, that's all the work I did on it. That doesn't count the years I've spent reading and rereading works, the hours and hours spent discussing every single little detail with other people, or the hours I'll spend afterwards revising it based on feedback.

Really, that's what keeps me, however much original fiction I write, however good my original fiction might be, from saying I'm part of the lit community - because every time I see somebody say something like that we're lazy or freaks or whatever, someone who gets a lot of attention in at least parts of the lit community, it reminds me of that I'd have to sacrifice parts of myself, and I'm entirely unwilling to do that.

...except I have no ideas for anything to deal with that. All I have is my editorial from few weeks ago, where I dealt with things in a listed argument with facts and figures, and plans for two more editorials dealing with issues that were brought up in the comments on that one. Nor am I really sure that I'd have the time to deal with the abusive comments if whatever I did got a lot of attention.

If anybody wants to read the original editorial, it's here: [link]
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2012   Writer
Hmm, you could maybe start a support fanfic campaign (with all the bells and whistles of stamps, maybe a chat event, activities etc), or maybe start a fanfic project or contest. Give it some positive exposure to help more people see it in a positive light.

You don't have to fix the problem entirely, but merely do something positive with the issue.

Sounds like you're passionate about this topic and I'd love to see you do something big with it! :heart:
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LadyBrookeCelebwen Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay...so obviously I'm replying far, far later than I should have. And I totally failed at doing anything in January.

But I wanted to let you know that this inspired me to at least try and spread the word a little, by actually typing up mini-articles every so often. Whether the response has been good or bad, I think I've made at least a little difference and made a few people begin talking/thinking about it. So, thanks. :hug:

(And yes, I'm very passionate about it! Which is good or bad, depending on who you ask.)
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:icontylon:
Tylon Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012  Professional Artist
Would I be able to join? There is something I would love to be heard about.

My complaint (I have it very well written and documented) is about artists here on DA selling fan art and copy-written characters (which is illegal) to gain profit, and staff here on DA knowing so and not doing anything about it. My complaint goes into US copyright law, why this is illegal and how it disrupts other artists who do not know. Artists follow their idols, who often do illegal things. Some of these artists do not know that it is illegal, some do it because they can get away with it. I personally find this morally wrong and upsetting. I always say "how would you feel if someone else was profiting from your own characters and work?" My approach would be to educate artists on the legality of fan art and copy-written materials; the differences between drawing just fan art and making profit. Since DA focuses on US law, I would use US law to back up my claims.

I have submitted complaints numerous times about this topic which greatly upsets me; only to get nowhere, staffing saying "how everybody does it". If accepted and approved, maybe others can finally hear me out and not just push me off and understand why this is wrong with the evidence to back it all up. I am not the only artist who feels this is wrong and sees it this way.

I don't know where I could post/ submit this. I usually get nowhere when I contact a staff member. Would a journal be alright? Or a deviation post about my report?

I take law seriously; and being in college for graphic design, I have learned a lot about what goes into design, not just art but also business and law. This is something I truly feel strong about. I just need to know and make sure that it is an ok complaint. I won't go into details about the people I have sent numerous complaints to, but rather the topic over all. I feel that it could help improve this community and educate others who might not know or understand US copyright law.

Thank you!
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012   Writer
I believe you should be able to enter if you do something new for this topic. Submit a new dA visual suggestion, or maybe start a community awareness campaign, or write a guide about how an artist can discern if their deviation is within the rules or not.

I'm not accepting the basic journal post about 'I tried.' I want to see the trying, even if it's the billionth time you've tried. If nothing else you could make it fun with a new spin on it and aim for the community instead of staff (if you're burned out there).

I hope that helps and wasn't discouraging. ^^;
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:iconzilla774:
zilla774 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
looking forward to seeing the results of this, excellent idea :)
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2012   Writer
Me too! :happybounce:
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:iconmoonbeam13:
Moonbeam13 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
This is absolutely brilliant :D
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2012   Writer
Thank you! :la:
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SquirrelGirl15 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think that there should be a rule about how many Daily Deviations one Deviant can get per year. There are so many amazing artists out there, and so many amazing artworks, and the same deviants get featured over and over again. It makes me mad, because they are already well known. Their works appear on the front page, and there is definitely someone out there who is just as good who has never been on the front page or gotten a DD.

I think I'm going to maybe write the dA staff about this, and try to submit DD suggestions by unknown artists several times a week :) I haven't written a journal entry about this yet, but I will xD
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:iconmicahgoulart:
micahgoulart Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I think the problem with that is that once you start keeping a tally about DDs and who has what, then you lose the sense of evaluating that piece of art on its own and instead start to think of how it fits into the bigger picture and the choice becomes political then.

I think admins do a great job picking the DDs regardless of the usernames behind it. The issue is with the suggestions... popular artists get their art seen more often and it gets suggested more often because of it. You need to raise awareness so that other deviants start browsing deeper, looking for the hidden gems everyone has missed.
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cembree Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"I think admins do a great job picking the DDs..."
If a community volunteer wants to feature something, do they need the approval of the admins? And is it possible for an administrator to receive a DD?
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:iconmicahgoulart:
micahgoulart Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
By feature, do you mean, create a DD ? If so, that's only admins who do that.

As far as I know, it's quite rare for an admin to receive a DD, mostly due to conflict of interest. But I've seen it happen maybe once or twice in 6 years. It's sad because there are seriously talented admins, such as $zilla774 so even if their artwork is amazing, chances are they won't be picked for a DD. Comes with the job.
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thorns Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2012   Writer
Sounds like an interesting suggestion. :heart:

If you plan to enter the contest, be sure to submit the suggestion in the appropriate place (the suggestion gallery or suggestion forum) and then note me with a link to it! If you're doing other stuff, link me to that as well. :happybounce:

All entries must be noted to me and preferably something I can add to my fave collection for easier tracking.
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RTNightmare Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
[link]

Here is how I made my complaint better. I've made a deviation to show HOW I would change my username! What do you think? Good or not?
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thorns Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012   Writer
Yay! Looking good!

When / If you think it's ready for official submission, be sure to send it in a note so I can track it!
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RTNightmare Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Done and done! :)
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cembree Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Im definitely joining. XD. Does the complaint have to be drawn out? Or just a little sentence? Because Phase 1 ran away from me.
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012   Writer
You can include your complaint in the description, or in your note when you send your entry to me. :heart:
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:iconcembree:
cembree Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Can we do multiple complaints? Because I have some ideas for quite a few of them.
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:iconthorns:
thorns Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012   Writer
Yep!
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:iconcembree:
cembree Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hello again! :wave: I have mine ready. Here we go! [link]
Thank you for holding this contest-it restored some life into me. :hug:
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thorns Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012   Writer
Those are some interesting complaints and solutions. :heart: I love that you've put so much thought into it!

To be eligible for the contest though I'd like to see you do something more than post a journal. You could maybe make some visual suggestions or post to the suggestion forum (links for both are in my article). You could probably even contact ^namenotrequired for the best way of going about making these suggestions and general feedback. :heart:

Also, you musts end your entry in a note to me. (This is so I can keep everything organized and don't miss any entries.)
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cembree Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hmm...So would writing guides for critiquing and starting suggest-a-DD-a-day in groups count as doing more? :hmm: I've contacted ^namenotrequired for feedback already, and I'm planning to post in the Suggestion Forum.
I sent a note the other day. XD. You got it, right?
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thorns Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2012   Writer
The first two, probably! Send me a note with links and I'll have a better (more concrete) answer and let you know if I need anything more on it.

I don't think I did if I haven't replied. I can't remember either way. (I've gotten quite a few notes in the last week, sorry!)
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